Mike's Madness

[Mike Lubinski]

Hey guys!
Congrats! I knew this would be the top 2 since.....well week 1 unless someone did something about it!

You both played good games, kept a target off your back when obviously you 2 were arguably the 2 strongest in the game, challenge-wise and socially.
Annie, you say you don't want to give off fake impressions by talking to a lot of people, but it's Big Brother. Talking is part of the game, and even though I was genuine with you I think your opinion of me was biased because you knew I talked to some people...but I'm not sure...I actually from week 1 pegged you as the person who went and talked with everyone just to make sure no one hated you and put you on the block....but in fact the person sitting next to you is the person who did that throughout this entire game and apparently (as you've stated) you didn't do that at all....I just found it weird.

Justin- That's the one thing I hated about your gameplay. You made too many alliances. Sure it got you to the end because you're a good liar, but I'm not sure if it puts you in a good position with Jurors...I think because of who you're sitting next to, your chances are better. Amy Crews (Recycled 6) plays the same way and I find it annoying...but either way, you did what you had to to get here and I'm glad you're here, but you're not getting my vote so easy.

Annie: If I had voted you out when I had the chance, who do you think would be sitting in the final 2 spot and why?
Was there ever a point in the game where you felt that you had nothing to worry about? If so what time, and if not why?

Justin: I'm gonna make you write a lot buddy!
List every major lie you told to me and why you did it.
Obviously you're in the final 2, but do you regret how many different alliances you made and how you played the game? Do you think that alone will ruin your chances at winning?
If me you and Jason were final 3 and you won final HOH (good chances, I mean....look at me) who would you have taken to final 2 and why?
And lastly, if I had voted out Annie when she was on the block against Eric, who would be sitting in your 2 spots?

Both: Which Jurors (pick 2) do you think deserve to be sitting where you are based on their game strategy ONLY (not challenges). (Social play is included in this).
Give 2 reasons why the person sitting next you doesn't deserve to win. (Not they didn't do as good at challenges or they aren't really liked) I mean give 2 flaws in their gameplay that should keep them from getting this title.

Thanks you 2!
I had a blast playing with you guys, although Annie you and I didn't talk really at all late game, seems to be the case with most people...But you guys definitely brought a competetive edge...and you Jurors made this game spectacular as well...........pre-jury can die.....

[Annie Whittington]

Feb 3, 2011 19:15:08 GMT -6 Mike Lubinski said:

Annie, you say you don't want to give off fake impressions by talking to a lot of people, but it's Big Brother. Talking is part of the game, and even though I was genuine with you I think your opinion of me was biased because you knew I talked to some people...but I'm not sure...I actually from week 1 pegged you as the person who went and talked with everyone just to make sure no one hated you and put you on the block....but in fact the person sitting next to you is the person who did that throughout this entire game and apparently (as you've stated) you didn't do that at all....I just found it weird.

Annie: If I had voted you out when I had the chance, who do you think would be sitting in the final 2 spot and why?
Was there ever a point in the game where you felt that you had nothing to worry about? If so what time, and if not why?

Both: Which Jurors (pick 2) do you think deserve to be sitting where you are based on their game strategy ONLY (not challenges). (Social play is included in this).
Give 2 reasons why the person sitting next you doesn't deserve to win. (Not they didn't do as good at challenges or they aren't really liked) I mean give 2 flaws in their gameplay that should keep them from getting this title.

Thanks you 2!
I had a blast playing with you guys, although Annie you and I didn't talk really at all late game, seems to be the case with most people...But you guys definitely brought a competetive edge...and you Jurors made this game spectacular as well...........pre-jury can die.....

Mike, I think my strong social game from week 1 was misunderstood as something else hence why you think I would talk to people to make them not hate me but I was not hated anyways.

I think had I been evicted it would be a final 2 of Justin/Jason. I think Justin might have wanted what we thought to be the strongest player left to go against him in the final 2. And personally I think it would have been really interesting from a jury point of view. Honestly the moment you feel safe you actually stop playing the game. This is Big Brother and anything can happen. While I did feel safety there's a mild chance anything could have changed throughout this whole game. So i was never 100% feeling safe unless I was HOH of course.

I'd choose Jason. Jason coming back from his vacation had a lot to catch up to and I feel like he's definitely this seasons biggest improve overall. He was smart and was very aware of his position in the game most of the time.
Second I think it's a toss up between Jen and Amanda. Jen knew exactly what she wanted and was very clear of it. She was screwed out of spot in the final 6 because of Justin's greediness. Whereas Amanda didn't just sit on her ass to her Red Room alliance and got herself some other allies like Jason.

2 reasons why Justin should not win:
1. Justin should not win because his greedy part completely screwed over his own allies at some part of this game. Does allies should really reconsider giving him their vote. I know I would.
2. Justin made way too many deals. At times he was see thru despite making his fake deals and whatnot.

[Mike Lubinski]

Thanks Annie!

And just a heads up probably stop saying that you weren't ever a target because it's a lie....

The only problem I had with this game is all the "he said she said" bull that happened through this WHOLE game because people didn't want to name names!
And Adam you shittard!!

[Justin Sebik]

Feb 3, 2011 19:15:08 GMT -6 Mike Lubinski said:

Justin: I'm gonna make you write a lot buddy!
List every major lie you told to me and why you did it.

I really don't feel like there were too many. To start of, I obviously didn't tell you about my other alliances or deals but then again neither did you. I don't know if either of us consider that lying. There was actually only ONE MAJOR lie and it is this:

Telling you at Final 7 that I was taking you to the final 2 over all members of the alliance I was creating. Maybe we tossed out f2 before that sometime, but that is the point the f2 thing seemed to stick. I did this because I wanted you in my alliance and you directly said "I don't know, I don't want to be on the bottom and then end up in fourth. I'm playing to win." This was basically an invite for me to either lie to you about your position or just let you go and let you team up with Amanda and Eric. I picked the option that made strategical sense to me. I put everything I said about me for sure taking you over Annie in this game under this one lie.

With that said I felt like I was TRUTHFUL with you a lot even when it was risky for me. Like Week 1 when I thought you were with Jacob I told you about what I was about to do ANYWAY and who I was going to do it with. That could have potentially blown up in my face later.

I also never tried to get you evicted and always voted to keep you when I could. This isn't part of your question but there is a huge vibe here of "Justin is a dick who used me" when really, even though I didn't get you all the way to the end I think I was definitely a huge contributing force in you making it as far as you did.

Feb 3, 2011 19:15:08 GMT -6 Mike Lubinski said:

Obviously you're in the final 2, but do you regret how many different alliances you made and how you played the game? Do you think that alone will ruin your chances at winning?

Well, I can't regret anything that got me to final 2. Lying to you was required for me to get to where I am. Maybe not lying to Jason because it seems like he might have not given a damn whether I was taking him or not, so that's one thing.

But let's break down my alliances vs. Annie's allliances for a second so you can really see it...and I'm not going to include that two day thing with Jacob because I feel like I was basically butt raped into that alliance.

Annie- April, Red Room, Jen, Mike (through the alliance I created)
Justin-April, Red Room, Jen, Mike (through a bond week 1 and the alliance I created), and Jason.

So at the end of the day the only difference in alliances between Annie and I is that I BSed you more than Annie because Annie wasn't even close to you so she was in no position to BS...and also that I dabbled with Jason. It really doesn't seem to me like I'm that one guy who plays all sides and takes bullshit to a whole new level.

Feb 3, 2011 19:15:08 GMT -6 Mike Lubinski said:

If me you and Jason were final 3 and you won final HOH (good chances, I mean....look at me) who would you have taken to final 2 and why?

I would have taken you to the end over Jason. I wasn't completely honest with my final 2 deals with either of you but I made the one with you way earlier and you were always loyal to me when it counted. For the most part it was too late for Jason to hop onto any Justin bandwagon.

Feb 3, 2011 19:15:08 GMT -6 Mike Lubinski said:

And lastly, if I had voted out Annie when she was on the block against Eric, who would be sitting in your 2 spots?

Hard to say! But let's walk through it keeping most things the same.

You vote out Annie. Annie leaves at final 6.

I still win HOH at final 5. I'm going to put up Amanda and Jason. Jason wins veto. I put up Eric. Amanda vs. Eric are final noms. You vote out Amanda and who cares what Jason is doing because I back you up on it. Amanda gets 5th again.

Annie won the Final Four HOH in the real game but if she's not around and it's you, Eric, and Jason competing...I'll say that Jason won HOH. Jason puts you and me up. Jason also wins the veto and doesn't use it. Eric votes me out at this point. Justin Sebik gets 4th place.

Jason only got 8 minutes into endurance in part 1 and got 0 right in part 3. So I think there's no possible way that the final HOH would not have been won by Eric or you. Jason is pretty much screwed I think. Jason Guy gets 3rd place.

Holy shit...

Eric vs. Mike in the final 2.

Feb 3, 2011 19:15:08 GMT -6 Mike Lubinski said:

Both: Which Jurors (pick 2) do you think deserve to be sitting where you are based on their game strategy ONLY (not challenges). (Social play is included in this).

Now that I realize that you could have won this game if you just didn't listen to me one time, I'm actually in the mood to answer this question with you being one of the two people.

The two most unexpected things in my opinion which happened were (1) Me putting Jen on the block for a power and (2) You getting evicted by Jason over me. In my own strategic sense, those are two things that as a player I would not be able to anticipate from a social level.

So COMPLETELY erasing any competition skills from my criteria I will say...you and Jen.

Feb 3, 2011 19:15:08 GMT -6 Mike Lubinski said:

Give 2 reasons why the person sitting next you doesn't deserve to win. (Not they didn't do as good at challenges or they aren't really liked) I mean give 2 flaws in their gameplay that should keep them from getting this title.

Annie's huge flaw was not thinking ahead. An example of this is that in Week 1 I was the only person invited to her HOH room. I thought this was really dumb because every HOH from that point forward would realize that Annie snubbed them. This is exactly what happened when Jen won HOH...she realized that Annie could have invited her to HOH and just didn't. I think this is the point where Jen started to trust me a lot more than Annie. On the other hand when I won HOH I invited all my allies in...Annie, Jen, and you. Which by the way, Annie was annoyed about because she wanted me to JUST invite her. I ignored it and made the right strategic decision which I think "solidified" our alliance as much as it was ever going to be solidified.


Another thing Annie did was blowing up her target by talking herself up when it really wasn't necessary. She made it seem like she was going to dominate every competition (but didn't deliver) and was a force to be reckoned with strategically beyond all measure. This is coming into good use now as a final 2 but during the game she seemed to be a much bigger target than she actually was and it almost got her evicted a number of times.

[Mike Lubinski]

Feb 4, 2011 10:34:08 GMT -6 Justin Sebik said:

and I'm not going to include that two day thing with Jacob because I feel like I was basically butt raped into that alliance.

Weren't we all...

Feb 4, 2011 10:34:08 GMT -6 Justin Sebik said:

So at the end of the day the only difference in alliances between Annie and I is that I BSed you more than Annie because Annie wasn't even close to you so she was in no position to BS...It really doesn't seem to me like I'm that one guy who plays all sides and takes bullshit to a whole new level.[/quotes]

Then Annie must be a hell of a player because she makes it seem that way...and I'm sure the reason why she didn't have to BS as much is because she didn't run around making a bunch of BS final 2 alliances...as far as I'm concerned Annie would rather not answer to a final 2 deal/go invisible on aim/tell them no before she even agreed to a bunch of them, let alone CREATED them!

Feb 4, 2011 10:34:08 GMT -6 Justin Sebik said:

Hard to say! But let's walk through it keeping most things the same.

You vote out Annie. Annie leaves at final 6.

I still win HOH at final 5. I'm going to put up Amanda and Jason. Jason wins veto. I put up Eric. Amanda vs. Eric are final noms. You vote out Amanda and who cares what Jason is doing because I back you up on it. Amanda gets 5th again.

Annie won the Final Four HOH in the real game but if she's not around and it's you, Eric, and Jason competing...I'll say that Jason won HOH. Jason puts you and me up. Jason also wins the veto and doesn't use it. Eric votes me out at this point. Justin Sebik gets 4th place.

Jason only got 8 minutes into endurance in part 1 and got 0 right in part 3. So I think there's no possible way that the final HOH would not have been won by Eric or you. Jason is pretty much screwed I think. Jason Guy gets 3rd place.

Holy shit...

Eric vs. Mike in the final 2.

The honest truth, the only reason I didn't evict her then was because I thought you'd lose trust in me and you'd put me up if you won HOH...not like you'd tell me you would have been ok with it, but had I known you still wouldn't have put me up, I would have evicted Annie...

Feb 4, 2011 10:34:08 GMT -6 Justin Sebik said:

Now that I realize that you could have won this game if you just didn't listen to me one time, I'm actually in the mood to answer this question with you being one of the two people.

Whatever that means! Being in the mood to answer me for that?!

And yes, you inviting me to your HOH room solidified it. Had I seen that you didn't invite me, I would have seen it as a dead end and jumped to the other side.
That's where I also feel Annie flawed because she did things just to be bitchy or would have only invited you and Jen because she didn't want anyone else there, just her friends....she didn't play those things from a strategical standpoint, just from a social standpoint...

Well, thank you both.
I haven't completely made up my mind.

Justin honestly I hope that lie was worth it, because I do feel you cost me a spot in final 2, possibly winning the game because you mislead me. But that's what the game's about I guess. We'll never know how this game would have turned out had I evicted Annie, so I won't base my vote off that, but the lie in itself is really the only thing that isn't making me just vote for you right now....

Good luck you 2!